You know, metaphorically AND physically. Believing that he owes it to Arthur to help John and his family, who Arthur gave up his life for. Whilst in Valentine, along with Uncle, Karen and Mary-Beth, Tilly is accosted by a gang member she used to be affiliated with, Arthur intervenes on her behalf and threatens the man, who leaves. Arthur encounters Rains Fall for the first time, during the story, in Saint Denis, where he is asked to help his son, Eagle Flies. This care for Arthur's well-being is further shown when, after Arthur and the others end up in Guarma and he locates them, Dutch exclaims with great relief that its a "goddamn miracle" that he had survived, and hurrying the others to get him some water immediately. For most of 1899, their relationship is strong and healthy, with Arthur having Dutchâs full trust and respect and vice versa. If Arthur does decide to go back for the "money", it is likely that he instead wished to have one last showdown with Micah, evidenced by the fact that he will shout his name and ask him to show himself, even admitting that he went for the money because of "unfinished business" he had with him, showing the intense hatred between the two. If he chooses the former Anthony keeps his promise of staying away from Tilly. Despite Micah's pleas for Dutch to come with him for the money he turns and walks away, Arthur appearing to have finally convinced him. However, Arthur promises to protect her and won't let anything happen, further showing how much he cares for Tilly. During the standoff in Beaver Hollow, Bill sides with Dutch and Micah against Arthur and John, without hesitating. Despite Sadie's insistence and his sympathy with her, Arthur will say revenge would be no good for them for the time being. This conversation comes while the two are planting dynamite on Bacchus Bridge, knowing full well that this is the last time the gang works together. At camp John is one of the gang members that doesn't come up to Arthur for a spontaneous chat. It once again proves Arthur's loyalty to the Marstons and his intense desire in seeing them safe, happy, and free of Dutch's corruption. And just as Arthur changes throughout the story, so too does John. John first meets Ricketts in Chuparosa after Ricketts witnesses Marston killing three bandits who try to rob him. Before anyone can do anything, Molly is killed by Miss Grimshaw. During certain points in the game, like Karen and Mary-Beth, Arthur can confide in Tilly that he's not always certain of his place in life and questions why he does the things he does. Occasionally Arthur can encounter Charles working on some unique arrows at camp, if Arthur interacts with him Charles will offer to make some for Arthur if he provides him the necessary ingredients (Moonshine for fire arrows and Oleander for poison arrows). As a result, its never shown just how much Arthur cares about Mary-Beth. During Arthur's confrontation with Micah, John makes a surprising appearance and reveals that Dutch left him for the grave. The incident devastated Arthur and he never truly coped with the loss. In 1874, when Arthur was 11 years old, his father was arrested for larceny. Lyle was a criminal and outlaw, and was arrested for larceny in 1874, and Arthur described as a "no good bastard". They ride out together, killing any pursuers, with Arthur having successfully found evidence of Cornwall's intentions. Throughout Arthur's last moments fighting Micah he continuously bragged that he has won, contradicting Micah's claims that he had lost, because he successfully saved John and his family. Tilly is also very kind to Arthur, frequently expressing concern for him as his health begins to deteriorate and wishing he'd take better care of himself. Arthur and Dutch enjoyed activities together such as going fishing, alongside Hosea, where the three shared anecdotes of how their lives were before the rest of the members joined. At some point in his past Arthur met a young waitress named Eliza, whom he got pregnant with their son, Isaac. They successfully broke John out of prison but at the same time annoyed Dutch for disobeying his orders, however, Sadie's loyalty is to Arthur and isn't too fazed by Dutch's frustration with them. Arthur witnessed his death when he was young as well, and despite not liking his father, or knowing his mother, he kept photos for them for either comfort or fondness for them. Arthur follows Dutchâs every command, even the ones he doesnât necessarily agree with. Arthur and Dutch have a long history together, with Arthur seeing him as a mentor and a father figure who taught him the life of an outlaw and embraced Dutch's view of a life free from modern civilisation and its rules. Charles's personality of being quiet, mostly serious and reliable made Arthur enjoy his company and preferred to have him by his side. Despite this, the two work well together and Arthur can have pleasant conversations with him around camp. While the ring is obviously meaningful, it's also nice to consider that John keeps a picture of Arthur and Mary. Jack DOES remember Arthur in RDR2 epilogue, I just didn't see that scene until later. Nonetheless, Arthur still sees Bill as a capable member of the gang and continued to bring him along on heists, such as when Uncle reveals he has a lead on a stagecoach, and the two often work surprisingly well together. He emotionally tells Dutch that he "gave him all he had." If John tells Joe that Arthur died, he will show a small amount of sympathy. It's nice to know that John still sees his brother on occasion. As well as being friendly to each other around camp, Arthur can, when the gang is celebrating, dance with her. Arthur protested continuing but John encourages him to keep pushing. Those aren't just the words of two close male friends - John considers Arthur his actual brother. And as we can see, John isn't quite as... poetic as Arthur. She is one of the first gang members to help Arthur when he escapes back at camp after he has been tortured by Colm O'Driscoll and his men. By the end of the Van der Linde gangâs time Micahâs manipulation has greatly impacted Dutch as he starts to convince him that both Arthur and John, his proudest disciples, have turned on him. In the epilogue she is seen visiting Arthur's grave, mourning him, and the ring is used by John Marston in his proposal to Abigail Roberts. When he does tell her this she deeply sympathies with Arthur but she will also try to reassure him, and tell him he still has time to do good. This shared view gave Arthur confidence to confide in Charles his views and illness. Well, maybe not STUPID, but certainly foolish and empty-headed. 99% Upvoted. As the events of 1899 unfold, Dutch seems to view Arthur as something of an ace in the hole and relies on him more and more to get the gang out of increasingly difficult situations. However, Kieran gives up details on a possible whereabouts of Colm O'Driscoll and Dutch decides that he should go along with Arthur, John and Bill to show them where. Further adding that John doesn't like to talk about him. Late in the game Arthur is forced to go with Eagles Flies, along with the rest of the Van der Linde gang, to attack Cornwall's oil facility.  As a child, his mother died of unknown causes, while his father was a petty criminal and outlaw. Perhaps most important of all, Arthur convinced John to run. At camp Tilly is one of the gang members Arthur can play Dominoes with. John can then dispose of Cleet and have his revenge. Abigail is saddened when Arthur is forced to part ways with her and Sadie because he has to confront Micah. Whilst escaping Arthur falls to the ground after a steam pipe bursts in his face and is held at knife point, Dutch decides to leave Arthur for dead even though he could easily have saved him. Photoset. However, their relationship strained when John ran away for little over a year after getting Abigail Roberts pregnant with his son, Jack. Arthur can go on a hunt for some Bison with Charles, which leads to an investigation after they find numerous dead, rotten, Bisons across the open fields. In a random camp encounter Abigail complains that she cannot afford a new set of clothes for Jack, giving Arthur the choice to give her $5, indicating that he is willing to help Abigail and Jack in any way he can. Jack can ask Arthur to get Abigail's Thimble and a Penny Dreadful book, showing he goes to Arthur when he is in need of something, in return for the Thimble he will give you a drawing, for the book he will regularly leave Candy Bars at Arthur's tent. If John visits her in the epilogue, she will again express gratitude for Arthur's actions, his help having enabled her to survive and live happily. After the arrival of the Pinkertons, and a shootout erupts, both Arthur and John try to escape from the Pinkertons, led by Edgar Ross, as well as from Dutch, Micah, Bill and Javier, through the caves and up a hill. However, this might be because of her disappointment in how far Dutch has fallen rather than genuinely preferring Arthur, as anecdotes can be heard that Miss Grimshaw was rather close to Dutch before the events in the game. Arthur pats him on the shoulder and tells him to leave with his blessing. Ultimately, however, Tilly and Bill's bickering compromises the intended plan and instead they change to brute force, with Tilly leaving as that is not her style. Fan Art. John definitely owes a lot to Arthur, doesn't he?Â In the climactic and titular mission, Red Dead Redemption,Â Abigail is taken hostage by the Pinkertons. She is also one of the members that can come up to Arthur for a chat, specifically concerning Karen and her drinking habits. They bonded over jokes about Pearson and his letter to his aunt that he asked them to deliver, with Sadie mocking his false claims about traversing the world, far and wide, and that although he has yet to marry he is not short of suitors. Abigail then gives Arthur the key to Dutchâs chest that has all the money the gang has robbed throughout the story, surprising him. Charles taught Arthur how to hunt early in the story when Pearson complained that there wasn't enough food. Arthur catches him packing his bags and he tries to give an explanation but Arthur makes it clear he doesn't have to hear his reasons to understand why he is leaving. Once the Saint Denis robbery goes sideways, the gang is literally broken apart and John is taken to Sisika Penitentiary to be imprisoned and hung. And despite an entire game's worth of abuse at the hands of Arthur, John considers him as such. He decides to leave the gang and, should Arthur not help the nun in Saint Denis, will meet Swanson at the train station after dropping off Captain Monroe. He praises John for keeping calm and collected around Bronte when negotiating for Jack's return. Bill is another gang member who doesn't try to talk to Arthur around camp. However, John is one of the gang members Arthur can play Poker with. John would tell her of Arthur's death, as she would become sad as she thought he didn't have long enough and will allow John to have items, stating any friend of Arthur's is a friend of hers. All of it, torn away for what? Arthur has a good relationship with Abigail and at some point he thought about marrying her had she not fallen for John and he not fallen for Mary. 1 History 1.1 Background 1.2 Events of Red Dead Redemption 2 1.2.1 Colter Chapter 1.2.2 Horseshoe Overlook Chapter 1.2.3 Beaver Hollow Chapter 2 Trivia 3 Navigation Mac and his brother Davey were two criminals who joined Dutch van der Linde's gang at some point in the past. We grew to love John Marston throughout Red Dead Redemption, and we thought we knew all there was to know about him. During the failed bank job in Saint Denis Hosea is killed by Agent Milton. Charles told Arthur his illness is more of a blessing than a curse, because he is a aware of the short time he has left and has a chance to redeem himself, compared to some of their fallen brethren like Sean, Kieran, Hosea and Lenny, who never got a chance to seek redemption. Arthur admits that he reciprocates her feelings but declines, stating that they need money, that there's still people in the gang he needs to protect, and that he doesn't want her to get hurt. One day, Arthur saw two crosses outside their house and immediately knew they had both died. He does, however, keep a photograph of her beside his bed, and often speaks fondly of her, in contrast to his father. Rains Fall comforts Arthur and tells him that he is being too hard on himself. The gesture becomes even more meaningful when you consider Mary'sÂ words to Arthur regarding the ring - "I hope, one day, you will find some people in love who can use this." 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